Snowbound at Hartfield, Chapter 3-Maria Grace — 27 Comments

  1. Liza? Why? Elizabeth or Lizzie has been her name. Of course, there is no reason an author can’t use a new variant but I think the author should find a way to explain the new name.

  2. I agree Nathalie and Anji, that the colonel did call Elizabeth Bennet Liza. The story is told from the Colonel and Elizabeth Elliot’s points of view, so he would identify her using that name.

  3. It is interesting to hear Elizabeth Elliott change of mind. She has had a hard education in life and is ready for a real life, not an artificial one. Good job in opening her up.

  4. Even with the Eliza vs. Elizabeth notations I still find myself having to identify which woman is speaking or being spoken of in this story. Just my own quirk.

    Glad to read of Elizabeth Elliot having the sense to have learned from her errors in life, but also then ironic that she has to be careful to kowtow to her own father to be able to remain residing with him.

    Thanks for this chapter.

    • Sheila, I guess that’s part of the way society regarded women in a legal sense then. I learnt a lot from reading Maria’s book “Courtship and Marriage in Jane Austen’s Time”. Basically, if I’ve understood it right, a woman was more or less the property of her father until she became the property of her husband. Please correct me if I’m wrong, Maria. So, Elizabeth Elliot HAD to kowtow to her father if she wanted to remain living with him, despite having learnt better for herself.

      On the Elizabeth/Liza debate: If the POV is Elizabeth Elliot, then Elizabeth Darcy (nee Bennet) is referred to as Mrs Darcy. If it’s the Colonel’s POV, then Elizabeth Elliot is Elizabeth or Miss Elliot and Elizabeth Darcy is Liza. Is that any clearer? Or have I just complicated things even more?

      • Until a woman was 21, she was a minor and under the guardianship of her father. Since Elizabeth Elliot is older than that, it is a little different. But with her father’s financial issues, the dowry money that she might otherwise live off of was probably not available and if she wanted to leave her father’s house, her only choices would probably be to live with one of her sisters. At her father’s death, she might be able to recover her dowry from the estate. She was in a pretty difficult position.

  5. I appreciate seeing a very different side to the usually haughty Elizabeth Elliot. The fact that she bemoans the loss of Anne in her life shows that she has indeed changed . . . and definitely for the better. But shall the Colonel see her as such? He might be, especially after her disagreement with her father.

    Mr. Bennet seems to be in his element: new people to observe and laugh at, yet a comfortable place for their impromptu stay and his dearest Lizzy nearby. And the Colonel’s thoughts on the “besottedness” of Darcy are tinged with envy, methinks. 😉

    Thank you once again, Maria, for a wonderful vignette! Such a delightful wintry treat!! 🙂

    Susanne 🙂

    • I really like writing about how difficult characters might be realistically redeemed. It’s been interesting exploring Elizabeth Elliot. It does seem a very interesting ‘stage’ for Mr. Bennet to be watching! Thanks, Susanne!

  6. As long as it is not ‘Miss Eliza’ as Miss Bingley was known to call! LOL! I can just hear the snarkiness dripping!

    I too enjoy the coming together of characters from Jane’s books. I just feel they should all know each other! Elizabeth Elliot certainly has had her views and opinions turned on their head! It certainly must be a humbling experience for her. But like others have said, she is learning from it. I think she is also realizing that her father’s opinions and attitudes have not done her any good. Now she must walk on eggshells to not to overly upset him. I certainly feel some sympathy for her.

    The spark has been lit between her and the Colonel. I think the two would be very good for each other.

    Another delightful chapter and Mr. Bennet just keeps stirring the pot!

    • Carole, I cringe whenever I hear ‘Miss Eliza’ I kind of despise that nickname. LOL

      Elizabeth Elliot is definitely in a difficult spot right now.I’m glad you see possibilities for her and Colonel Fitzwilliam…

  7. It’s a good sign that Elizabeth Elliot is feeling regret for her behavior regarding Anne and seeing her father in a new light. Sir Walter is one of my least favortie JA characters, pompous twit.

  8. Poor Elizabeth Elliott now finds herself walking a very fine line between establishing and demonstrating a new set of beliefs and opinions on society in general and keeping Sir Walter sweetly ignorant of such.

    Am delighted to see her new appreciation of Anne,even if it is a little late in the day.

    And yes,dear Mr B is in his element here,spoiled for choice,one might say!

    Here’s hoping the spark that’s been lit between the Col. abs Elizabeth ignites,I think they both deserve a little bit of happiness in their lives!

    Thank you so much for such a great story! 😌

  9. A quick editorial note, if you don’t mind terribly…

    You say Elizabeth (Liza) smirks under her breath. Since a smirk is a facial expression (and thus, unlike a laugh or a snort or a whisper, has no sound), one really can’t smirk under one’s breath. I think the word “smirk” sounds too modern and smug for Elizabeth anyway, but that’s just my opinion. 🙂

    I’m really enjoying reading this!

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